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我只存了一个page，是《环球邮报》报道中国政府终于允许西方记者进入西藏的新闻，这里节选一下读者评论，当然都是批评中国的。 注意，那时候华人的大规模游行尚未开始，论坛上的火药味还不那么足。 1，
'Sword of China' and Xiao Liu, I do appreciate the discussions we are having. As I scan the blogs in various websites, I am amazed at the hatred that the Chinese bloggers have directed against the Tibetans and the Dalai Lama due to the recent uprising/protests in Tibet. It's quite amazing. In general, Tibetans don't have that level of hatred agains the Chinese people. I am being serious as it's more levelled at the Chinese government and its policies. I do appreciate some level headedness from you guys to try to understand at the root cause of this problem. I also agree that a lot of the westerners understanding of Tibet is not correct as well but they meant well. I am sure one thing you two will probably agree is that I think outside knows more about Tibet than most of the people in China. I have been to mainland China and Tibet many times. It amazes me that the lack of understanding of average Chinese on Tibet and Tibetans which is at best elementary. Tibet is kind of chic these days prior to the recent unrest and Tibet is considered some kind of Disneyland, let alone having some problems, with happy people, singing/dancing all time in a beautiful scenery as broadcasted in CCTV all the time. I went on many Chinese tour groups to Tibetan areas. I hope one good thing that comes out of this recent uprising is that it raises the understanding of the large majority of Chinese that there is a problem in Tibet. I am sure for a lot of them it destroyed their long helf views that Tibetans are forever grateful for the lies of PRC CCP for liberating them from abject poverty and slavery. So they must be puzzled why the protest and uprising. If they have some brain two things should come up, 1) why are they protesting not just in Lhasa but also in lot of the Tibetan inhabited regions 2) can we believe all the news from Xinhua. 2，
'Sword of China' seems to have a pretty good understanding of the situation. You are right, person like XT, some Tibetan bloggers knowledge seem limited and hear more ranting, hate than real discussions. It amazes me that a person like XT and many others who now live in a 'free world' with access to unfiltered information, still choose to rant only one side. The only motivation is of ultra-nationalism which the even the great helmsman correctly labelled as 'han chauvinism' which is dangerous. That's what I see amongst a lot of young privileged Chinese who have immigrated to the west perhaps living off their parents stolen/corrupted money from back home. As you know the PRC govt is not the best for telling truth and being transparent. So the govt is inciting this hate against the Tibetans and blaming the Dalai Lama, DL clique for inciting. You know anyone can accuse but you need to prove your charges otherwise it doesn't hold water. Let's have some internation monitors to investigate these charges to show some evidence. DL said he is welcoming Chinese officials to visit his base to investigate. It's absolutely ludicrous to blame DL or outside force. It was reported to be not organized and random protest of grievances that they wanted to express. Most of the protests were peaceful as usual but the level of violence and use of the lethal force by the paramilitary force is astounding. 140 protestors dead by bullet from the police and thousands arrested and are being tortured as we speak. It's a huge sacrifize. The detail list of 40 peaceful protestors are out.
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Mei-Xing Xu from Canada writes: where were the reporters in Falluja when the Americans were using things like phosphorus on civilians and supressing an uprising there. we now know there was a media ban. why the hypocrisy ?!?
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Hypocrisy? Chinese don't blink an eye or would protest when you mention millions killed by Mao in the name of communism. Don't you dare mention to Chinese, Japanese and rape of Nanking where "only" hundreds of thousands died. They will tell you how horrendous it was. I agree it was, but why Japanese are to this day ostracized but not Mao. Would it be another blaring hypocrisy?
As of Falluja, you may not remember, that the whole city was surrounded by both Iraqi and USA army. Civilians were given ample time to leave. That eliminates your Chinese puppet hypocrisy. The first two comments- that both of you started freshly on this page - it only confirms that Chinese embassy stands on guard! The Chinese wall is crumbling in the wake of The Berlin wall tumbling almost twenty years ago. It all feels like it happened yesterday.
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China allows some foreign reporters into Tibet
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Just another "Potemkin village" only this time Made in China instead of Russia.
They let you see what they want. When it comes to make believe nobody can ever surpass communists! 5，
Why not boycott the Beijing Olympics and stage the events all over the world at various sites where previous Olympics have been held. The facilities are already there. China loses. All others win.
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In my opinion the Dalai Lama is innocent of the charges. Even the Chinese media reports that the protests started out peaceful. However, as things progressed, the protests turned violent. The violence could have been incited by several factors, not the least of which was the efforts of the police to quell the protests. But I believe the underlying reason was the widening income gap between the Han peoples and the Tibetans. Someone wrote in another forum that the Tibetans should be grateful that China proper has sent them many Hans and built them a railroad. But, the Hans own most of the businesses and run the banks etc. They are getting wealthy on the backs of the Tibetans. History has shown that eventually the poor, trodden on by wealthy oppressors, will eventually rebel. Look to Africa where the Africans expelled and even massacred the white landowners. Look to southeast Asia where the indigenous peoples attacked Chinese and burned shops etc because of their wealth. Can you really blame the Tibetans for being angry? They are the poorest of the non-Han nationalities in China, and they are watching others get rich. And as for the railroad, it works both ways. It was built primarily so that the PRC could respond quickly to unrest in Tibet (my opinion). As for boycotting the games, I sincerely hope that no country does so, especially the athletes. The leaders must do as they see fit. I really don't think that outsiders will change China's human rights attitude, that will have to come from within. Another thing you should know; the Olympics in Beijing has caused the displacement of over 1.5 million people, a significant percentage of whom have been placed in deeper poverty. They are not protected. And, can you imagine, the migrant workers who are building the venues are sometimes not paid, and have no health or accident protection, not to mention the fact that they and their families (if they bring them) are treated worse than vermine.
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Finally, the Dalai Lama is protesting "cultural genocide". The 2.7 /- Tibetans who remain in Tibet are being overrun by the Hans Nationality (90 % of the Chinese population). Who knows how many Hans have migrated to Tibet for the financial rewards. As one expressed on another forum, the altitude causes sickness, so it is not good for all, but one can adjust. The point here is that the PRC is encouraging (in my opinion) migration to Tibet to do exactly that, for the Hans to become a majority and thus quell the need for rebellion.
But, again in my opinion, it has and will continue to backfire. We have not seen the end of unrest in China, unfortunately. I see unrest in Xinjiang (northwest) and even Inner Mongolia unless the PRC starts to recognize that they are all equal and deserve an equal share of the pie. They can only do that if there is open and free communication between all peoples. China is in fact a great and beautiful country with an overwhelming history. Their history is one of war and internal conflict, one would hope that they can learn from it. 8，
I have read arguments put forward by three gentlemen namely 'Sword of China', Andy Lun and Mei-Xing-Xu. Will the communist China allow the discussion like the one we are having? 100% of Chinese population support the heavy handed approach of China's own PLA? Why are we having a discussion in this newspaper when 100% of Chinese are in agreement with the government action? It seems to me 'Sword of China', Andy Lun and Mei-Xing-Xu are agent of China who brainwashed by the communist party.
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